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Post by relmitos on Sept 21, 2011 15:30:59 GMT -5
Q it is then. For tonight it's Eisen then, is it?
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Post by raya on Sept 21, 2011 22:43:42 GMT -5
Yes. We'll send td to do it as, in the offchance I survive, my berserk rate will be at 40%. If I survive and attempt to kill Minby the odds are good I'll end up killing you guys instead, which we really don't need.
Which leaves DF to have another go at Q, like she suggested.
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Post by relmitos on Sept 22, 2011 3:20:42 GMT -5
This cannot express my feelings enough. Well, I think it's safe to assume that this is the reasoning that Q was completely, totally unkillable. I'm also assuming he's that "guest" that I've been repeatedly seeing log into the forum. BAH! BAH I SAY! Wait......there've been times that I've seen 3-4 guests logged onto the forum. I bet there's been multiple people spying on us since they all died.
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Post by raya on Sept 22, 2011 9:56:05 GMT -5
One of them was Fed, I know Weldar gave him to the link to the forum. Oh look, Q made an account here. You're a bastard Q, you know this? Funnily enough this may work out well for us. We don't need to worry about dealing with Q anymore! Unless utter bullshit happens we may win tonight. If we kill Eisen and Minby kills one of us that leaves us 3vs1. Technically 4vs1 with Relm's vote. We get majority, we win. If the game is still going on however...we may need to make an open truce with Minby. Say we know he's the last non-Coalition player. The fact the game is still going on means there's another factor involved and, I'm guessing, it will be that we need to still take out Q. Cast down our new god. So we lynch him, and if that doesn't work we target him in the night. Even if Minby betrays the alliance and kills one of us we still have the majority vote, so we take him out the following day.
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Post by td260 on Sept 22, 2011 17:19:19 GMT -5
One of the guests is probably me. I don't bother to log in when I check here on my phone.
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Post by raya on Sept 25, 2011 11:46:03 GMT -5
AND YE SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH
AND THE TRUTH SHALL SEND YOU MAD
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Post by relmitos on Sept 28, 2011 16:40:13 GMT -5
Alright, it's down to us and Eisen. I like these odds. My opinion on this is that we send in Td again, on the grounds of if Eisen has doc powers he probably has a limitation or something like I do. If he's night kill immune, we hang him tomorrow and he can't do a thing about it. I say this because while the berserk chance of Raya's night kill is low right now, 30% if I recall correctly? Not murking one of our own would be nice. I guess we could send in Raya incase he's lynch immune though.
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Post by td260 on Sept 29, 2011 13:14:29 GMT -5
I'm down with that. Though... I don't like how he was able to survive last night... but if it happens again, we can still lynch him in the day... We've got this.
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Post by relmitos on Sept 29, 2011 17:46:36 GMT -5
Well, now we've got a new problem. Good lord, why can't we just win already? We're so close, and now this nonsense. This is why my "grudge" vote on Raya the last game was because I can't ever completely trust her anymore, and well, guess what I did? That might just come back to bite me. Joy.
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Post by relmitos on Oct 2, 2011 5:22:37 GMT -5
Sorry for making your head hurt Td, but it needs to be said. We've come this far and it had it's trials and tribulations and I don't want to fail now.
Alright, the game ends. Today. How it will end, I cannot tell. All the flavor text points to Q being evil and it makes me kind of want to hang him. Thinking about it, I'm actually alright with getting Q hung. Eisen does appear to have a night kill, as the flavor text indicated that you almost bit it overnight Td. However, it could've been just that, flavor. He might targeted Raya for death, I don't know. After all, Raya was the one that did, in fact, die.
The courses of action that we have, is as follows, and this could just be me being over-analytical again, but this game has been way more then over the top.
1.) We lynch Eisen and be done with it. Logic and normal rules of mafia dictate that since me and you are on a team, and everyone else is dead, we would win. However, I am starting to think that maybe, JUST MAYBE, even though we'll be the last group left and would win, leaving Q alive as the usurper(and the new host, but that's aside the point) might end up just costing us the win, even though we're the last group. Basically, the win/loss scenario of this one is as follows. We hang Eisen to win but we may just be screwed over by Q being alive still.
2.) We lynch Q and see what happens. With the way this game has been going, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the win conditions end up being, "kill the host before the game would normally end" to win, and if we don't kill the host before the game would normally finish, we lose. The win/loss scenario of this one is, we lynch Q and the lynch doesn't do anything so that me, you, and Eisen are still alive. This gives Eisen a chance to night kill again. This could be bad, but thinking about it, this leaves three possible results in my mind as to how this could play out.
A.) We lynch Q, nothing happens. We both live, Eisen lives. We can attempt to night kill him again, but I don't see that helping very much with the way the last few attempts went. Should this happen and he does have a night kill, we will be alright. Because I blocked you last night and not myself, I can block myself tonight. With me being able to block myself, he can't night kill me. The beautiful thing is, even if he kills you we still win because I have a double vote, and he can't do a thing about it.
B.) We lynch Q, one of us dies because of this. One of us live, Eisen lives. If I die, and Eisen does have a night kill and is unnightkillable, we lose. If you die, I still self-protect and we win from a lynch the next day.
C.) We lynch Q, we win. No real flaw if this happens. If the game doesn't end when he dies, I self-protect, I single handedly hang Eisen the next day phase, yada-yada-yada.
This all hinges on just one factor that I have no way of knowing what it is: If Eisen does have a night kill, as we do believe, and it's unblockable. If it's unblockable, all of the above just falls apart, save for Scenario one which has a potential for loss as well. ALL of these has potential for losing, is what bothers me the most. I will say though, as I don't believe this to be the case. As previously stated, the flavor indicated that Eisen attacked you, and I saved you, which would match our side of the night actions at least. As for why Raya died, I suspect it's because she failed to get us to agree to night kill Q. Her bid for power hinged entirely on us, and that kinda burned her at the stake, so to speak.
So really, at this point Td, I want, nay, need, your opinion on this. What should we do? I'm kind of leaning more toward Scenario Two, and hoping for result C. There is one stipulation however should we choose that path. I would like you to vote on Q first, as I fear they may just be repercussions for the first person to cast a vote on the host.
And finally, I want to point out two things. Yes, I'm well aware what I'm saying can easily be suspicious with the recent happenings but I do have a defense to it. First, Q and Raya when they both were on their lynch the host crusades, they went Spont Mode, and I'm still completely coherent and making at least some sense, as opposed to the usual Spont Mode rant. Second, DF scanned me, and the scan showed me as 100% Coalition, so I'm not trying to intentionally screw you over here.
I will not make a move before you give me input, so long as you give me one within, say, 24 hours from this post. Mostly on the grounds of, our day phase is actually timed. I really do want your thoughts.
EDIT: Ok, so......Eisen does indeed have a night kill. Weldar kinda let it slip from what I can tell, from this little piece of candy on the mafia topic, and he targeted Raya. Fun fun.
To make this perfectly clear that was all fancy flavour. You're dead, that was just you being nightkilled. Like TheTJ you're still alive in the flavour but that's just for story purposes.
Well, that clears up some things I suppose.
Also; don't freak out about anything I say on the forum. I will NOT vote for you. Just attempting to throw up some smokescreens, so to speak.
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Post by td260 on Oct 2, 2011 7:38:04 GMT -5
Alright- I'm NOT spontmoding, fyi. I'm being dramatic. I'm in a rush and on my phone, so I'll discuss this more later, but I think it's just eisen.
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Post by relmitos on Oct 2, 2011 12:26:03 GMT -5
I will point out, Q is still considered to be in the game. How do I figure, there are two big, blaring signs. If you remember, out of all the groups, only the mafia, the cult, and the EloG has been pronounced eliminated. Eisen just can't be in both the asylum and the EloE, and we've pretty much determined Q to be in the asylum. It's also been referenced that in the flavor text, there were still 5 people alive. Raya + you + me + Eisen =/= 5. Though, if you wish we can just bring down Eisen. I won't really complain, as I'll be the first to admit I go into crazy conjecture. I really think we should attempt to kill Q though.
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Post by td260 on Oct 2, 2011 13:44:03 GMT -5
I think Q only counts as a player in order to make the whole "raya ursurper" thing make sense.
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Post by td260 on Oct 2, 2011 21:08:54 GMT -5
.... actually, screw it. why not try and lynch Q. the more I read back, the more I realize that he's been a player the whole time. It's your call, relm. Lynch Q or eisen- I'll follow.
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Post by relmitos on Oct 2, 2011 22:04:06 GMT -5
Ah, glorious, thank you. We lynch Q and be done with it. Let me make your announcer role do it's work, and then we slam Q with votes. Sounds like a plan to me. This'll take me awhile to write up, as it needs to be a post worthy of a Q post.
EDIT: after figuring out that my plan not only would not work, would also be uncool of me to do, just go vote on Q with any reason you can come up with.
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