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Post by raya on Sept 7, 2011 10:54:43 GMT -5
Totally called by Relm. Good job there. TD, DF, Relm suggested to me back in Day 1 that Ansem may have been a traitor due to his nearly getting me lynched and also his actions (when I pressed him for what his watching result was he said a bullshit 'shadowy figure'). We were planning on watching him to gather evidence but looks like someone solved our problem for us.
When I next log into the forum I'm going to raise the issue of traitors (looks from the fluff that Ansem was killed by one of his teammates, or if not it can be twisted that way), which will hopefully spread paranoia amongst the other groups. First though we need to make sure we're all on the same side. If we know we're 100% loyal to each other we'll have the advantage if the other groups start turning on each other with suspicion.
Posting our alignments on here won't work, since if we do have another traitor all they need to do is wait until last and agree with what the others wrote. So, here's my plan: Everyone must send me a PM with what Weldar told you was your alignment.
This way if there is indeed another traitor they won't know what the others have put and so be caught out. I will of course reveal everyone's, so we'll know nobody was lying.
If you do not send the PM it will be assumed that you have something to hide!
I'm fairly certain we're all batting for the same side (Weldar can't be mean enough for multiple traitors, right?), but we need to be 100% on this. Otherwise it could bring about our downfall.
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Post by relmitos on Sept 7, 2011 14:25:59 GMT -5
I KNEW it, wooo! It feels GOOD to be right about something ;D
I do highly doubt that Weldar would make multiple traitors, but I do see reasoning in why you want to do this. However, this plan is inherintly flawed. Any one of us could easily tamper with the PM Weldar sent us, so even if we DID do that you still wouldn't fully trust any of us. Waste of a PM if I say so myself. If you truely think that we have multiple traitors among us, I'll send you my role, but even you must admit that's asking a lot. Your asking us to send our role pm to you on a leap of faith that you won't screw us over yourself. I myself trust you, Raya, since you were the one I sent that pm to stating, hey we may have a traitor in our midst, but I don't know if DF and Td share that sentiment. At this point I trust DF and Td mostly on the grounds of, we got rid of the traitor.
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Post by darkfalco on Sept 7, 2011 14:45:01 GMT -5
plus you know i'm not since i've been sharing all the info i've gotten so far. TD isn't since he was so against lynching raya, i can tell that. glad we got rid of the traitor early on...but i wonder...does the ELoG know who we are now because of that?
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Post by relmitos on Sept 7, 2011 14:47:34 GMT -5
I highly doubt that actually. Think back to Q's game, where Weldar had to kill off both mafias collectively. If either of the mafia's were told, "Hey, I know these guys are mafia, they can do this, we need to kill them in this order", if that other mafia has ANY brains, they would be able to figure out what was going on, as mafia's don't get told "Oh hey, there's another mafia."
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Post by raya on Sept 7, 2011 16:00:37 GMT -5
Reading your post Relm made me realise a massive gaping flaw in my plan. Bugger. Scrap all that =/
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Post by td260 on Sept 7, 2011 16:32:08 GMT -5
I have a theory, actually. What if the Evil league of "good" is made of mafia traitors, (since we've seen someone flip mafia that isn't us) and the evil league of "Evil" is made of town traitors?
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Post by td260 on Sept 7, 2011 16:34:31 GMT -5
And I'm counting the inmates as a "mafia", btw.
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Post by td260 on Sept 7, 2011 16:35:38 GMT -5
also, do you still want my PM?
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Post by relmitos on Sept 7, 2011 21:03:16 GMT -5
She said to scrap that pm plan, so no, don't worry about it.
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Post by td260 on Sept 7, 2011 21:59:04 GMT -5
alright-y then
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Post by relmitos on Sept 9, 2011 11:24:05 GMT -5
Alright Td, so, I've pondered about your theory for awhile now, and I've finally come upon a conclusion about the plausibility of it.
1.) The Evil League of Evil being town traitors, while possible seems a little farfetched to me. If you think about it, having us, a group labeled as mafia, the EloE, the inmates, and the EloG is a lot of groups to be making townie traitors in the first place. Especially if you consider, isn't that techicially what the mafia is, what we are, apparantly the EloG are, and probably the inmates? If anything I suspect that they may just be another mafia
2.) You may just be correct about the EloG though. If the EloG isn't actually their own mafia, as we suspect, they could actually be a small group of townies (key word there is small, I wouldn't expect more then 2-3 myself, as finding traitors can be tricky), similar to a mason group that actually is told who the mafia are, and whose sole purpose is to destroy the mafia's from inside out. One of the first things I thought of when I saw EloG was that they were a group of masons, after all.
Thoughts?
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Post by td260 on Sept 10, 2011 20:46:44 GMT -5
Makes sense, man.
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Post by relmitos on Sept 10, 2011 21:19:29 GMT -5
More pondering was done on this.
The EloG, if they really ARE a group with traitors in the mafias, ("mafias" being EloE, us, and the mafia, possibly the inmates but I don't think so) I'm thinking that the EloG has only one of it's members in each "mafia". Ansem was with us, he died and flipped EloG. Requiem was killed, he was also in the EloG but he wasn't with us. This makes me think, if Td really IS correct about the EloG being a group with a traitor in each mafia, quite possibly Smash is either an EloG member or a cop, as he had "information" stating I was malign.
Will state, do remember this is all just theory, so don't take it as 100% solid fact.
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Post by relmitos on Sept 11, 2011 0:53:01 GMT -5
So I took a look at the day 1 votes again to look at something because it occured to me.
Raya(6):Smash, Avos, Snake, Viero, Ansem, Requiem
No one(6):DRTJR, SurgePox, Raya, Minby, td, DarkFalco
Viero(2): Fedaykin, TJ
Requiem(1): Av
Minby(1):Relm
TheTJ(1): Perry
Perry(1): Eisen
Look at everyone who voted on Raya.
Avos and Viero, they flipped mafia.
Snake flipped Inmate
Ansem and Requiem, who flipped EloG
And Smash. Smash who had "revealed information"
Everyone who "Grudge voted" on Raya actually had some kind of hidden agenda. Surprising? Not really. I'm definitely thinking Smash is part of the EloG now.
Also, pending on the next day's night kill results, I'm begining to think "Townie" doesn't exist and everyone's affiliated to some organization or something.
Sorry if my rampant theorizing is annoying anyone, I'm just enjoying myself.
Side note of lol: finally decided to go and find a sig picture fitting of a killer.
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Post by raya on Sept 11, 2011 3:51:08 GMT -5
*monocle pops*
By Jove Relm, I think you may have hit the nail on the head with the voting record. If Smash dies tonight his alignment will probably share a lot. He could very well be the mafia's traitor; it wouldn't have taken much for him to persuade both of his sides to vote for me. For Ansem it'd be an even better bonus as he'd get better control over us.
The ELoG being all traitors makes sense to me; they're obviously infiltrating all the different factions for the aim of bringing them down from the inside to save the kingdom. Good for their intentions, evil for the way they're doing it. Which, unless there's another group that hasn't been revealed, they'll be four of them- EloE, Inmates, Coalition and Mafia. Two are down.
I'm not entirely sure if the EloG know everybody's alignments; that would be hugely overpowered, especially if they have some extremely strong players in their list. Imagine if all the traitors ended up being the power players, eesh. But we should act as though our identities are known.
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